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		<title>By: One and a half noble truths? &#124; Love of All Wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>One and a half noble truths? &#124; Love of All Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] noted before that the Second Noble Truth was of great importance in my own spiritual development. I would still count it as the most important thing I&#8217;ve learned from Buddhism. Maybe not all [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] noted before that the Second Noble Truth was of great importance in my own spiritual development. I would still count it as the most important thing I&#8217;ve learned from Buddhism. Maybe not all [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Can justice make you happy? &#124; Love of All Wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can justice make you happy? &#124; Love of All Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Roman Tradition, Happiness, Karma, Morality, Natural Science, Virtue About ten years ago, after my epiphany in Thailand, I tried to put together a philosophy based on virtue and happiness. The central idea was one I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Roman Tradition, Happiness, Karma, Morality, Natural Science, Virtue About ten years ago, after my epiphany in Thailand, I tried to put together a philosophy based on virtue and happiness. The central idea was one I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chastened intellectualism and practice &#124; Love of All Wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chastened intellectualism and practice &#124; Love of All Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] very sympathetic to such an account, from my personal experience. It was one thing to realize that my own attitudes and behaviours were the big problem in my life. It has been quite another to actually change those attitudes and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] very sympathetic to such an account, from my personal experience. It was one thing to realize that my own attitudes and behaviours were the big problem in my life. It has been quite another to actually change those attitudes and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amod Lele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amod Lele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;d agree that some amount of Westernizing is inevitable for anyone raised in the West and starting to become interested in Asian traditions. I&#039;d resist using yavanay?na as a general term, though; part of the idea with the y?na terminology is that it&#039;s specifically Buddhist. The permutations of Westernization in other traditions are typically quite different. With Hinduism, for example, I would tend to argue that Hinduism &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt; is in many respects the equivalent of Yavanayāna, as even the term &quot;Hinduism&quot; or its equivalents didn&#039;t exist before the British arrived.

Re epistemic authoritarianism, I&#039;m finding that a big issue as I begin to explore East Asian thought. The point came up at the SACP... I was talking to someone (I forget who it was now) and saying how it was important to philosophy that one identify how one&#039;s position differs from others, and argue for that. My interlocutor said he thought that was a Eurocentric position; his take on Chinese thought was that it was a matter of tact and etiquette, that when one wants to spell out a new and different position, one doesn&#039;t disagree outright with one&#039;s predecessor, one leaves it to the reader to fill in the point. I pointed out that Indians are very clear about their disagreements (one of the most common stock phrases in Sanskrit philosophy is &quot;if you say X, no, because of Y&quot;) and he modified the term to &quot;Indo-Eurocentric&quot; - another one of the reasons I&#039;ve tended to think South and East Asian thought are each &lt;a href=&quot;http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/does-asian-philosophy-exist/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;closer to the West than they are to each other&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve also been finding exceptions to the rule - Xunzi, for example, seems to be pretty clear about telling you that he thinks Mencius and Mozi are full of crap, and explaining why. But more generally, this is one of the reasons I find the &lt;a href=&quot;http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/intimacy-and-integrity&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;intimacy-integrity distinction&lt;/a&gt; so useful - it points to a different style of thinking in East Asia, one which at least seems authoritarian at first glance, but may still have its distinct advantages. So my sense has generally been that we can&#039;t expect the same standard of logic from East Asia that we have in the West (or in India) if we&#039;re going to get anything out of it. But you know way more about East Asian thought than I do - do you think I&#039;m way off base here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;d agree that some amount of Westernizing is inevitable for anyone raised in the West and starting to become interested in Asian traditions. I&#8217;d resist using yavanay?na as a general term, though; part of the idea with the y?na terminology is that it&#8217;s specifically Buddhist. The permutations of Westernization in other traditions are typically quite different. With Hinduism, for example, I would tend to argue that Hinduism <i>per se</i> is in many respects the equivalent of Yavanayāna, as even the term &#8220;Hinduism&#8221; or its equivalents didn&#8217;t exist before the British arrived.</p>
<p>Re epistemic authoritarianism, I&#8217;m finding that a big issue as I begin to explore East Asian thought. The point came up at the SACP&#8230; I was talking to someone (I forget who it was now) and saying how it was important to philosophy that one identify how one&#8217;s position differs from others, and argue for that. My interlocutor said he thought that was a Eurocentric position; his take on Chinese thought was that it was a matter of tact and etiquette, that when one wants to spell out a new and different position, one doesn&#8217;t disagree outright with one&#8217;s predecessor, one leaves it to the reader to fill in the point. I pointed out that Indians are very clear about their disagreements (one of the most common stock phrases in Sanskrit philosophy is &#8220;if you say X, no, because of Y&#8221;) and he modified the term to &#8220;Indo-Eurocentric&#8221; &#8211; another one of the reasons I&#8217;ve tended to think South and East Asian thought are each <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/does-asian-philosophy-exist/" rel="nofollow">closer to the West than they are to each other</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also been finding exceptions to the rule &#8211; Xunzi, for example, seems to be pretty clear about telling you that he thinks Mencius and Mozi are full of crap, and explaining why. But more generally, this is one of the reasons I find the <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/intimacy-and-integrity" rel="nofollow">intimacy-integrity distinction</a> so useful &#8211; it points to a different style of thinking in East Asia, one which at least seems authoritarian at first glance, but may still have its distinct advantages. So my sense has generally been that we can&#8217;t expect the same standard of logic from East Asia that we have in the West (or in India) if we&#8217;re going to get anything out of it. But you know way more about East Asian thought than I do &#8211; do you think I&#8217;m way off base here?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen C. Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely the former. It started with living traditions like martial arts, qigong and health regimens, and visual arts. And a rather peculiar version of &quot;Daoism&quot; that offered much grist for selfish perfectionism. In college I focused in on the early philosophers since they were the ones everyone else was alleging to get their authority from; music ended up taking over as my interest in other living traditions waned. (Though always &quot;for the time being.&quot;) Until I got serious about the early thinkers, there was a generous amount of yavanayana mixed in, which is basically inevitable for a young American interested in Asia. (Agree?) In broadest terms, what this mass of discourses and traditions offered me was some kind of meaningfulness, appropriateness, and good sense that I had never felt from any other direction. As I&#039;ve become more philosophically articulate, I&#039;ve been able to pinpoint the intuitions I share with essentialized China that I do not share with mainstream Western lines of thinking. But the important thing is that the philosophizing came later. To a certain extent I regret the slow progress of philosophy in winning my heart, because in retrospect I was far too friendly to the epistemic authoritarianism core to so much Chinese thought - the disinclination to debate or recognize genuine alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely the former. It started with living traditions like martial arts, qigong and health regimens, and visual arts. And a rather peculiar version of &#8220;Daoism&#8221; that offered much grist for selfish perfectionism. In college I focused in on the early philosophers since they were the ones everyone else was alleging to get their authority from; music ended up taking over as my interest in other living traditions waned. (Though always &#8220;for the time being.&#8221;) Until I got serious about the early thinkers, there was a generous amount of yavanayana mixed in, which is basically inevitable for a young American interested in Asia. (Agree?) In broadest terms, what this mass of discourses and traditions offered me was some kind of meaningfulness, appropriateness, and good sense that I had never felt from any other direction. As I&#8217;ve become more philosophically articulate, I&#8217;ve been able to pinpoint the intuitions I share with essentialized China that I do not share with mainstream Western lines of thinking. But the important thing is that the philosophizing came later. To a certain extent I regret the slow progress of philosophy in winning my heart, because in retrospect I was far too friendly to the epistemic authoritarianism core to so much Chinese thought &#8211; the disinclination to debate or recognize genuine alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Amod Lele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amod Lele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting story, Stephen - what do you mean you &quot;lost your head&quot;? Do you mean you fell in love with them to the point you went crazy, or you were immersed in them (perhaps involuntarily) and they made you so upset you went crazy? I&#039;m guessing the former, but either way I&#039;m interested to hear more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting story, Stephen &#8211; what do you mean you &#8220;lost your head&#8221;? Do you mean you fell in love with them to the point you went crazy, or you were immersed in them (perhaps involuntarily) and they made you so upset you went crazy? I&#8217;m guessing the former, but either way I&#8217;m interested to hear more.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen C. Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m enjoying this narrative. In ways that have become clearer to me over time (I didn&#039;t start out with much inkling), becoming an academic specializing in Asian philosophy is the kind of thing that automatically demands explanation. My own explanation is as follows: (1) I am innately/reliably predisposed to privilege intellect and critical reason, (2) I lost my head over certain aspects of traditional Chinese culture in high school. (There has always been an Indic component too, but it takes a distinct second place.) The impetus for my work is basically that I want to use critical reason to understand why I lost my head. Unlike most of my colleagues, I have not started out from a position of familiarity with Western philosophy - I have started developing that only gradually. I feel like sustained interest in and appreciation for Western thinkers is some kind of sign of &quot;maturity&quot; for me, because at the gut level for years it was just a torrent of pure sinitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m enjoying this narrative. In ways that have become clearer to me over time (I didn&#8217;t start out with much inkling), becoming an academic specializing in Asian philosophy is the kind of thing that automatically demands explanation. My own explanation is as follows: (1) I am innately/reliably predisposed to privilege intellect and critical reason, (2) I lost my head over certain aspects of traditional Chinese culture in high school. (There has always been an Indic component too, but it takes a distinct second place.) The impetus for my work is basically that I want to use critical reason to understand why I lost my head. Unlike most of my colleagues, I have not started out from a position of familiarity with Western philosophy &#8211; I have started developing that only gradually. I feel like sustained interest in and appreciation for Western thinkers is some kind of sign of &#8220;maturity&#8221; for me, because at the gut level for years it was just a torrent of pure sinitude.</p>
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