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		<title>Is there certainty beyond logic?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Responding to my post on doubt, Jim Wilton agreed that &#8220;truth established through thought and logic is always subject to doubt.&#8221; But he suggested that not all knowledge or truth is a product of logic &#8211; and, he claimed, perhaps this non-logical knowledge can be certain, indubitable. I agree that not all knowledge is a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/12/living-with-doubt/">Responding</a> to my <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/12/living-with-doubt/">post on doubt</a>, Jim Wilton agreed that &#8220;truth established through thought and logic is always subject to doubt.&#8221; But he suggested that not all knowledge or truth is a product of logic &#8211; and, he claimed, perhaps this non-logical knowledge can be certain, indubitable.</p>
<p>I agree that not all knowledge is a product of logic. This is one of the reasons I have spent a great deal of time discussing what Thomas Kasulis calls <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/intimacy-and-integrity/">intimacy worldviews</a>, background approaches to philosophy that are not derived from direct argument. I agree with the thinkers in such traditions that <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/02/truth-and-contradiction-beyond-propositions/">truth is not merely something expressed in linguistic propositions</a>. </p>
<p>Where I disagree strongly, however, is on the view that such non-logical knowledge can be a source of genuine certainty. <span id="more-1718"></span> Jim&#8217;s first example of such knowledge is the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_effect">&#8220;eureka&#8221; moments</a> of natural science: points where a discovery is made in a flash, a leap. I agree that such moments, though likely impossible without a long and disciplined prior process of rigorous logical reasoning, themselves include something more than logic; this example is an important argument for an intimacy worldview. The question is: are such moments free from doubt? I think the answer must be no. I don&#8217;t think one would have to probe the history of science very long to find a &#8220;eureka&#8221; moment whose resulting insight turned out to be largely false. I remember that writing my dissertation involved moments of insight which later reflection revealed to be untrue.</p>
<p>Jim refers to the knowledge faculty that produces such moments as &#8220;intuition.&#8221; He <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/12/living-with-doubt/#comment-5331">attempts to define</a> &#8220;intuition&#8221; as a knowledge based on direct perception. But it seems to me that direct perception is among the most unreliable of all sources of knowledge &#8211; mirages, ropes misperceived as snakes, eye diseases or whatever example of illusion one might wish to cite. </p>
<p>I suspect that the underlying question in this discussion might be the kind of knowledge derived from mystical experience, the kind of wordless realization obtained in meditation. That possibility came up in the discussion that led to my <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/09/certain-knowledge/">old post on certainty</a>, where a friend claimed that he reached absolute certainty in his Sufi chanting. But I said then and say now: such experiences lead to a <i>feeling</i> of certainty, but it could be a felt certainty of falsehood rather than truth. I suspect any of us could find a militant fanatic, of whatever stripe we disagree with, who derived his fanaticism from a cultivated vision.</p>
<p>Direct perception, intuition, mystical experience, aha experiences: I don&#8217;t intend to denigrate any of these as potential sources of knowledge. But are they sources of <i>certain</i> knowledge, indubitable knowledge? The answer must be no. Indeed, I would argue that they are <i>less</i> reliable sources than is boring old logic; for logic can proceed with the kind of inexorable rigour that rules out impossibilities. As I&#8217;ve said before, if there <i>is</i> certain knowledge to be found, it is likely to be there, in the kind of logical certainty sought by Plato.</p>
<p>Still, I want to note an important point of agreement between Jim and myself. In a <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/12/certainty-requires-omniscience/#comment-5377">comment on another post</a> he claimed: &#8220;From my point of view (and I think Amod’s as well), doubt is more an openness to what exists than a negative statement or a disagreement.&#8221; I like this claim and I think it expresses something true and important. I see doubt as essential given our status as imperfect, non-omniscient beings &#8211; there is always more to be learned. Doubt is an intellectual manifestation of the key virtue of <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/07/monotheists-humility/">humility</a> &#8211; a key virtue for monotheists and other <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/06/nishidas-encounter/">encounter</a> traditions, taken a step further by doubting even God. And so too with mystical experience and its directly perceived or intuited cousins: this, too, must be doubted. It is as capable of generating improper pride and arrogance as any of the works of logic and reason. We should not and will not find true certainty there.</p>
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		<title>Monotheists&#8217; humility</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been thinking some more about the idea of encounter, which I blogged about in these posts and which I take to be central to the philosophy of Emmanuel Lévinas: the idea that we can never encompass the wholeness of truth, it must remain irreducibly other to us. I&#8217;m wondering whether the basic idea animating [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking some more about the idea of encounter, which I blogged about in <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/06/wilbers-atmanism-vs-the-saints-encounter/">these</a> <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/06/nishidas-encounter/">posts</a> and which I take to be central to the philosophy of <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/levinas/">Emmanuel Lévinas</a>: the idea that we can never encompass the wholeness of truth, it must remain irreducibly other to us. I&#8217;m wondering whether the basic idea animating encounter philosophies is the virtue of humility &#8211; a virtue, I think, in both epistemological and ethical contexts. Aristotle, on the other hand, saw pride as a virtue, modesty as its lack &#8211; and while I do think humility is a virtue myself, I would remain an Aristotelian in seeing humility, <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/justice-as-a-mean/">like justice</a>, as a mean. It is far too easy to be too humble in action, to be servile and self-abnegating &#8211; an excess which, <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/justice-as-a-mean/">I&#8217;ve suggested before</a>, hurts women&#8217;s struggle for equality. And with respect to knowledge, too little humility can lead us to an <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/12/following-science-as-a-layperson/">inappropriate feeling of certainty</a>; but realizing that lack of certainty can spur us to too <i>much</i> humility, leading us into a <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/02/what-does-postmodernism-perform/">self-contradictory</a> denial of truth and knowledge.</p>
<p>The issue surrounding encounter, in that case, goes well beyond one&#8217;s relationship with God, even one&#8217;s relationship with other human beings. <span id="more-1388"></span> Like the question of <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/02/why-should-we-do-anything/">internalism and externalism</a>, it hits deep issues both theoretical and practical, though from a different angle. And I suspect this is why the question is so pervasive throughout the Western monotheisms.</p>
<p>An <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/06/wilbers-atmanism-vs-the-saints-encounter/">earlier post on the subject</a> noted the debate within Indian Sufism, between ibn Arabi&#8217;s <i>wahdat al-wujūd</i> and Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindī&#8217;s <i>wahdat ash-shuhūd</i>. But what was new in India with Sirhindī was only that the debate happened within Sufism &#8211; Sirhindī was the first <i>Sufi</i> to articulate the idea of irreducible encounter, the opposition to pantheism. Opponents of the Sufis had been putting forth that idea for a long time before that. Perhaps most famously there was the case of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansur_Al-Hallaj">al-Hallāj</a>, the tenth-century Persian Sufi, who in in his state of mystical experience proclaimed <i>anā&#8217;l ḥaqq</i>, &#8220;I am the truth!&#8221; <i>Al-ḥaqq</i>, &#8220;the truth,&#8221; was one of the traditional 99 Muslim names of God; for saying that he was God, al-Hallāj was swiftly put to death. </p>
<p>Non-Sufi Islam, it seems to me, stresses the gulf between God and man as a way of maintaining human humility. Stephen Prothero&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-One-World-Differences/dp/006157127X">popular new book on religious difference</a> identifies pride as the central problem in Islam, comparable to sin in Christianity or suffering in Buddhism. I suspect this is why Muslims lay so much stress on <i>tawhīd</i>, God&#8217;s inviolable unity, and treat <i>shirk</i> &#8211; idolatry or &#8220;associating partners with God&#8221; &#8211; as a cardinal sin. To raise anything in the physical world to God&#8217;s level is to assume an arrogant knowledge of God. In the early days of Islam, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu'tazili">Mu&#8217;tazila</a> school, relying on this idea of <i>tawhīd</i>, had argued that the Qur&#8217;an was a created object like anything else perceptible, and so one should read it with a rationalistic and allegorical eye. To read it as literal and inerrant would be arrogant, idolatrously taking the Qur&#8217;an as a partner with God. But one of the reasons the Mu&#8217;tazila became a minority position was that their view was used to license human arrogance: the caliph, the human ruler, had no limits on his power if he could take the Qur&#8217;an as meaning something different from what it literally said.</p>
<p>It has been my sense that, while there has been some suspicion of Christian mysticism through the ages, it was not persecuted within Christianity as strongly as the Sufis were within Islam. I think this is because official Christianity has drawn the line between God and man far less sharply than has official Islam (and I suspect official Judaism). What defined the Christianity accepted as orthodox in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed">Nicene Creed</a> was that God had in fact become man. This idea of God-become-man is, as I understand it, what <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/03/james-doull-and-the-history-of-ethical-motivation/">James Doull</a> finds most significant about Christianity: in it, objective truth (God) and subjective humanity can be united. The idea of God as man has been accepted by all the major strains of Christianity since then &#8211; Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant &#8211; but in its time it had seemed absurd to many if not most. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism">Arians</a> took a more traditionally Jewish view, that Jesus was merely a prophet, a teacher, an exemplary human being. To say that he was more than that would be impossible, for it would identify perfect God with imperfect humanity. Their foes the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docetism">Docetists</a> took the exact opposite view: that Jesus was purely God all the time and was never actually human. Despite being at opposite ends of the spectrum, the Arians and Docetists shared the view that no man could ever be perfect enough to be God.</p>
<p>Go to India, on the other hand, and the view is vastly different. There, to identify human and God is commonplace. It&#8217;s not just that God <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/06/seeing-gods-form/">takes a physical form</a>, in a way scandalous to Muslims. Many traditions &#8211; especially Jainism and Yoga &#8211; are all about becoming godlike, taking on superhuman powers and transcending the universe. And most prominently, in Śaṅkara&#8217;s Advaita Vedānta, we all already <i>are</i> God, we just don&#8217;t know it. For this reason, <a href="http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/">Nicholas Gier</a> takes these mainstream Indian traditions as examples of what he calls <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=U6t2UdyNkngC&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=spiritual+titanism&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=PUFJVszAV2&#038;sig=LYnwV0vBUh72b2OTBSXhBu8DDqo&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=PZQrTJitA8L6lwfq5eyDCA&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=2&#038;ved=0CBoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&#038;q&#038;f=false">spiritual Titanism</a>: worrying attempts to make man into God. Gier clearly thinks that Titanism is a bad thing. He doesn&#8217;t explicitly argue the case against it, but he returns repeatedly to environmental crises: human beings have tried to become godlike in their attempts to master nature, and now we are paying the price. Here, the problem of human arrogance appears again with an ecological cast.</p>
<p>My own position on all this goes back to <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/06/trusting-in-man-trusting-in-god/">this post</a>. I agree with the orthodox monotheists that humans are fallen creatures, not worthy of deification. In Buddhist terms, this is why I <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/09/one-and-a-half-noble-truths/">denied the Third Noble Truth</a>: I have not met anyone I would consider awakened (&#8220;enlightened&#8221;) in this lifetime, and could not imagine becoming awakened in this life myself; and I also don&#8217;t believe in rebirth, so I don&#8217;t see our perfection as possible after this life. We are deeply flawed creatures and must always remain aware of those deep flaws; that&#8217;s why humility is important. </p>
<p><i>But</i>. Unlike the monotheists, I don&#8217;t see any reason to prefer God to man. For in my view any capital-G God, any god that has created the world or is omnipotent, <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/06/trusting-in-man-trusting-in-god/">cannot be taken as a model of moral perfection</a>. God&#8217;s track record as revealed in the world is no better than ours; his track record in scripture and tradition is often worse.</p>
<p>And all this, in the end, takes me back to the Aristotelian mean. We must be humble enough to recognize our deep flaws; but not so humble that we submit ourselves wholly to another entity with flaws as thoroughgoing as ours (or close to it). We cannot fully trust ourselves; but we have no choice but to trust ourselves to some extent. The line is difficult to walk, but no genuine virtue is ever easy.</p>
<p>EDIT (11 Jul 2010): The original version of this post claimed that James Doull was an Anglican preacher. A former student of his informed me that he wasn&#8217;t, although he was always a believing Christian and belonged to an Anglican community in his later life. A number of his students and grand-students became Anglican priests, however, and that&#8217;s probably where my confusion arose.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Skholiast recently referred in his blog to a recent review he wrote of Ken Wilber&#8216;s Sex, Ecology, Spirituality. To review this book is in a sense to review Wilber&#8217;s work as a whole, for it remains (by Wilber&#8217;s own account) the most comprehensive exposition of Wilber&#8217;s ideas &#8211; although Wilber has written considerably more since [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://speculumcriticum.blogspot.com/">Skholiast</a> recently referred in his blog to a recent <a href="http://www.librarything.com/work/39408/reviews">review</a> he wrote of <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/ken-wilber/">Ken Wilber</a>&#8216;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/1570627444/?tag=rbookshop-20">Sex, Ecology, Spirituality</a>. To review this book is in a sense to review Wilber&#8217;s work as a whole, for it remains (by Wilber&#8217;s own account) the most comprehensive exposition of Wilber&#8217;s ideas &#8211; although Wilber has written considerably more since this book, some of it in response to critics. Skholiast rightfully applauds one of Wilber&#8217;s most important ideas, the <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/pre-and-trans-ego/">pre-trans fallacy</a> &#8211; the point that moving beyond something in conventional experience (such as rationality and the ego) is very different from not properly entering it in the first place.</p>
<p>Skholiast makes two criticisms of Wilber, which are closely related to each other, and which reflect his interest in 20th-century &#8220;continental&#8221; thinkers, especially Emmanuel Lévinas.  The second criticism is probably the more fundamental: Wilber, according to Skholiast, is too much of an &#8220;ātmanist,&#8221; too beholden to nondualist philosophies (of which Śaṅkara&#8217;s Advaita Vedānta is the prime example). He doesn&#8217;t leave room for the priority of Lévinas&#8217;s philosophy, namely encounter with the other.</p>
<p>But while the immediate ancestors of Skholiast&#8217;s view may be in the likes of Lévinas, he is right to claim an older pedigree for it. For Vedāntic monism indeed makes an uncomfortable fit with Western monotheisms, in which to say &#8220;I am God&#8221; is a heresy. </p>
<p>Skholiast reminds me a little here of the Indian debate over Sufi mystical experiences. <span id="more-1186"></span> While Sufism is a controversial phenomenon in the Arab &#8220;heartland&#8221; of Islam, in South Asia Sufism basically <i>is</i> Islam. That Sufi mystical practices such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhikr">dhikr</a> chanting are valid spiritual pathways &#8211; this is not widely disputed in South Asia. Rather, as I understand it, the dispute between conservative and tolerant Islam happens there <i>within</i> Sufism. South Asian Muslims have typically all agreed with the Spanish mystic <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ibn-arabi/">Muhyiddin ibn &#8216;Arabī</a> that <i>dhikr</i> or similar practices can get you an experience of cosmic oneness, where the boundaries between yourself and the rest of the world all break down. The debate is over what this oneness <i>means</i>.</p>
<p>Ibn &#8216;Arabī preached an idea which later comes to be called <i>wahdat al-wujūd</i>, the unity of existence. For him God is the only being that is truly real; everything else is an illusion. (The similarity to Śaṅkara should be obvious here.) The experience of unity in <i>dhikr</i> allows one to perceive that true oneness in existence.</p>
<p>Another Indian Sufi, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Sirhindi">Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindī</a>, criticized ibn &#8216;Arabī. Instead of <i>wahdat al-wujūd</i>, he described Sufi experiences as merely <i>wahdat ash-shuhūd</i> &#8211; a unity of experience. One does indeed perceive that everything is one, but that is only a first step: one must go beyond that oneness because everything is <i>not</i> one. To identify creator with creation is a heresy. Rather, the experience gives you a sense of the true greatness of the one who created everything: &#8220;Not &#8216;All is Him&#8217; but &#8216;All is from Him.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>These are meaty debates and I don&#8217;t have space to try and figure out my own position on them here. Where I do take a stand is on a methodological issue in Skholiast&#8217;s first, related, point. Mostly because of the second criticism, Skholiast argues that Wilber doesn&#8217;t do &#8220;emic justice&#8221; to the Abrahamic traditions. Wilber, according to Skholiast, claims that the majority of Christian saints have got it wrong about Jesus &#8211; presumably those who are not &#8220;ātmanists.&#8221; Skholiast says that this claim &#8220;would be astounding if he made it about chess masters&#8217; opinions of the Ruy Lopez, or music critics&#8217; estimations of Beethoven&#8217;s late quartets, or even of Zen masters&#8217; account of the Tathagata.&#8221; I have some serious methodological problems with this approach, if I understand Skholiast&#8217;s criticism correctly. I&#8217;m all for humility in the face of great thinkers who have gone before us, realizing they might have depth we haven&#8217;t yet seen in them. But the great spiritual masters <i>disagree</i> with one another on matters of fundamental import. If the grace of Jesus of Nazareth is the only way to human salvation, then following the Noble Eightfold Path simply will not get one there. Each side may well be (and probably is) partially right, but at least one side <i>must</i> be partially wrong. </p>
<p>Here I think Skholiast&#8217;s analogy to chess masters and music critics is quite misleading. As non-experts we are reluctant to say chess masters are wrong about chess because they have a specialized expertise we do not have; this is one of the reasons it is <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/12/following-science-as-a-layperson/">so difficult to speak accurately about natural science</a>. But it is surely a gross misunderstanding of Christian saints&#8217; claims about Jesus to take them as a matter of specialized expertise. On their own understanding, Jesus is not a specialty, a limited field of human knowledge; He is universal, a truth who saves us all. Jesus doesn&#8217;t just happen to be there &#8220;for Christians,&#8221; he is the Way, the Truth and the Life. If we get Jesus wrong, we get the truth in general wrong. But once one makes that sort of universal, nonspecialist claim (and I think it&#8217;s a legitimate claim to make), one necessarily opens oneself up to nonspecialist criticism: if the truth in general <i>isn&#8217;t</i> what you say it is, then maybe Jesus isn&#8217;t what you say he is either. I&#8217;m not at all sure I agree with Wilber&#8217;s ultimate position, but I do think that methodologically he is on firm ground.</p>
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		<title>Misperceiving pain (and God)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is truth? I&#8217;d like to continue a dialogue on this subject between Elisa Freschi and myself that began in the comments to my post on performance theory. I&#8217;ll start by summarizing the debate so far (skip down a couple paragraphs if you&#8217;ve already been following these comments, or would rather click on the links [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is truth? I&#8217;d like to continue a dialogue on this subject between <a href="http://elisafreschi.blogspot.com/">Elisa Freschi</a> and myself that began in the comments to <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/10/a-disrespectful-performance/">my post on performance theory</a>. I&#8217;ll start by summarizing the debate so far (skip down a couple paragraphs if you&#8217;ve already been following these comments, or would rather click on the links to see the original debate).</p>
<p>We have been debating the extent to which truth can properly be understood as correspondence to reality. I think it generally can, but insisted that that reality should not just be understood as &#8220;outer&#8221; reality. Our understandings of our inner, subjective states can also be true or false in the sense of succeeding or failing to correspond to reality (as when we are <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/08/do-we-know-whether-were-happy/">incorrect about being happy</a>). </p>
<p>Elisa continued this debate with <a href="http://elisafreschi.blogspot.com/2009/11/in-quest-of-human-truth.html">a post on her own blog</a> (as I&#8217;m now doing in return). She argued that the experience of pain is &#8220;subject-dependent,&#8221; and cannot be understood as corresponding to a reality beyond the subject&#8217;s own understanding: &#8220;No scientist could convince me that the pain I am experiencing is unbearable if I can bear it (and vice versa, different people react very differently to what seems to be the same neuronal stimulus).&#8221; I responded in the comments that we can indeed misjudge pain, like happiness; I mentioned a physiotherapist friend who gets frustrated when he asks people to rate the pain from a minor injury on a scale of 1 to 10 and they immediately say 10. Elisa replied as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is not fair to ask someone who has only experience of a feeble pain to collocate it on a scale from 1 to 10. She would, rightly, collocate her present pain on the 10th level, because the &#8217;10&#8242; as a level of pain sensation can only make sense in regard to the pain we have actually experienced. A child will say that 10 is the pain one experiences after a minor fall, a woman who has just given birth will describe the 10-level-pain as something different, but they are right in maintaining that the pain they are presently experiencing is the highest they have ever experienced. The physiotherapist asks them to conform to an objective scale, valid for everyone, hence his disappointment.</p></blockquote>
<p>My response: <span id="more-657"></span> the assigning of a level-10 pain can be erroneous. Suppose I get a minor muscle spasm that I think is the most painful thing I have yet experienced. I therefore rate it a 10 on the pain scale. The following week, I am stung by an Australian <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chironex_fleckeri">box jellyfish</a>, which produces pain so intense that victims sometimes die simply from the shock of the pain. I realize then that what I would have rated a 10 wasn&#8217;t really a 10, more like a 4. I just didn&#8217;t know it then. I might have been <i>justified</i> in believing that the earlier pain was a 10, but my belief was not <i>true</i>. (Even the idea that it&#8217;s justified seems suspect, if I have some awareness of the kinds of pains other human beings have been in and some empathy towards them &#8211; I should know that there are others who have had pains like this, and additional pains more severe than this.)</p>
<p>A further example: suppose that I had been stung by a box jellyfish several decades <i>before</i> the muscle spasm &#8211; but so long enough ago that I had forgotten about it. In the ensuing decades I have had very little pain, so much so that the muscle spasm appears to be the most intense pain I have ever experienced. I rate it a 10. An old friend hears about this, and says: &#8220;That was a 10? Compared to the jellyfish sting?&#8221; So I reply: &#8220;Wow, I&#8217;d forgotten about that! Yeah, actually this is really more like a 4, not a 10.&#8221; It seems clear to me that I was <i>wrong</i> when I rated it a 10.</p>
<p>In both cases, my own opinion of the same subjective experience has suddenly changed. As a result of different information, I have now decided that my previous view was wrong. That means that if I am right now, I was wrong then, and vice versa. It is not possible for me to be right now that this subjective pain is a 10 <i>and</i> to have been right then that this subjective pain was a 4. I have to have been wrong about my own subjective experience; my own understanding of that subjective experience did not correspond to reality, and was therefore a false understanding.</p>
<p>In a slightly different direction, Elisa&#8217;s <a href="http://elisafreschi.blogspot.com/2009/11/in-quest-of-human-truth.html">post</a> also suggested a theology of mystical experience: rational disproofs of God&#8217;s existence do not change the fact that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_of_Ávila">Teresa of Ávila</a> had an experience of God: &#8220;What she cannot be mistaken about, I argue, is that she is perceiving God sending an arrow towards her hearth, etc. The theological side of this God is, in fact, not part of her sensation.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I think this is not true. Teresa is perceiving something that <i>seems like</i> God, looks like God, feels like God. But that doesn&#8217;t mean she is actually perceiving God. If I think I see a snake in the road, but on later reflection I see it turns out to have merely been a rope, then I did not in fact perceive a snake. I perceived a rope which I thought was a snake; I only thought that I perceived a snake. But I was wrong. </p>
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		<title>The Christian Rawls</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of 2009&#8242;s more interesting developments in philosophy is the publication of John Rawls&#8217;s Princeton undergraduate thesis, entitled A Brief Inquiry into the Meaning of Sin and Faith. In the past thirty-five years we have known Rawls as an eminently secular political philosopher, trying first (in A Theory of Justice) to work out a political [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/rawls.jpeg"><img src="http://loveofallwisdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/rawls-294x300.jpg" alt="John Rawls" title="John Rawls" width="294" height="300" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-647" /></a>One of 2009&#8242;s more interesting developments in philosophy is the publication of John Rawls&#8217;s Princeton undergraduate thesis, entitled <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Brief-Inquiry-into-Meaning-Faith/dp/0674033310">A Brief Inquiry into the Meaning of Sin and Faith</a>. In the past thirty-five years we have known Rawls as an eminently secular political philosopher, trying first (in <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=TdvHKizvuTAC&#038;dq=theory+of+justice&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=E2KkVOMlMU&#038;sig=j_WxBf3Dz4LKcFL7AVvYlT-18w0&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=GdTxStL6NYvilAeGnp2-Aw&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=8&#038;ved=0CCwQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&#038;q=&#038;f=false">A Theory of Justice</a>) to work out a political philosophy without any &#8220;religious&#8221; ideas, and then later (in <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=IE-76C2qrYYC&#038;dq=political+liberalism&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=YMv-L5qPOC&#038;sig=Q_JKI4AwYPOfpd6vYxZnyIznXVA&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=gNTxSpTVBdTTlAeX_IG-Aw&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=3&#038;ved=0CBQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&#038;q=&#038;f=false">Political Liberalism</a>) leaving &#8220;religious&#8221; views at the margins of the theory, where they&#8217;re only allowed in insofar as they agree with each other, forming an &#8220;overlapping consensus.&#8221; </p>
<p>Turns out it wasn&#8217;t always so. The title of Rawls&#8217;s thesis would have appeared a little drab at the time, but it&#8217;s striking to those who have read Rawls&#8217;s later philosophy. While the thesis deals heavily with questions of community and interpersonal relations, it says very little about Rawls&#8217;s later concern for the organization of the state. And soon after he wrote it, Rawls would go off to fight in World War II, and the horrors he saw would turn him agnostic. But what&#8217;s far more striking in the thesis is the </i>continuity</i> between the old (devout, pious) Rawls and the new (secular, political) Rawls. For my part, I have previously thought of Rawls as a philosophical foe &#8211; <a href="http://http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/07/rawls-the-utilitarian/">associating him with the utilitarianism</a> <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/07/my-story-a-break-with-utilitarianism/">that I rejected</a> &#8211; and the thesis confirms to me that, in the most important respects, Rawls was thinking in all the wrong directions. <span id="more-646"></span></p>
<p>Fundamental to the thesis is a rejection of Greek philosophical thought from Plato and Aristotle onwards. In a line of Christian thinkers going back at least to <a href="http://www.tertullian.org/">Tertullian</a>, Rawls rejects the influence the Greeks have had on Christianity from Augustine onward.  Why? Because Greek thought is what Rawls eccentrically calls &#8220;naturalistic&#8221;: it asks what the good life is for humans, what humans do desire and what they should desire. But for Rawls all desire is part of the problem. We cannot see God as truly ultimate if our relation to him is one of desire &#8211; as it is in Augustine&#8217;s longing for God, let alone in the erotic longings of medieval women mystics like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_of_Ávila">Teresa of Ávila</a>. Augustine sees the heavenly life as the best life &#8211; and that&#8217;s the problem. We shouldn&#8217;t be thinking about the best life for ourselves, or even for others. We should be thinking about God as a person who is not an object of our desire at all. Ironically, Rawls&#8217; later exclusion of religion (as &#8220;comprehensive conceptions of the good&#8221;) has its precedent in his own Christian views. Things would have been very different had Rawls been a Buddhist, in a tradition where so much is founded on our desire to end suffering. </p>
<p>Rawls does not argue for Christianity itself, taking it merely as a given starting point &#8211; and thereby anticipating his later attempt to debate politics without allowing religious debate to enter into it. Rawls never seemed to want to talk about religious foundations, early or late in life, even though the middle of his life had given him reason to change the roots of his own convictions from Christian to agnostic. </p>
<p>But the connection that strikes me most between the young Rawls and the mature Rawls is the opposition to ideas of merit or desert. Along with the Greeks&#8217; striving for the desired good (<i>eudaimonia</i>), the later Rawls rejects Aristotle&#8217;s idea that social goods should go to the most deserving. In the early Rawls, this idea takes on a theological underpinning. He passionately rejects the <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10202b.htm">Catholic doctrine of merit</a>, which states that good works receive supernatural award. (This is why you will sometimes see the Buddhist terms <i>pu?ya</i> and <i>p?pa</i>, &#8220;good karma&#8221; and &#8220;bad karma&#8221; respectively, translated as &#8220;merit&#8221; and &#8220;demerit.&#8221;) Rawls rejects merit with a passionate fire rarely found in his later, more analytical writing:</p>
<blockquote><p>The human person, once perceiving that the Revelation of the Word is a condemnation of the self, casts away all thoughts of his own merit. He sees that the givenness of God is everywhere prevenient, and that he possesses nothing that has not been given. He knows that what he has received has been given by some &#8220;other,&#8221; and that ultimately all good things are gifts of God. Therefore in the face of this givenness of God, in the face of His perfect and righteous mercy, he knows that he has no merit. Never again can he hope to boast of his good deeds, of his skill, of his prowess, for he knows that they are gifts.</p>
<p>The more he examines his life, the more he looks into himself with complete honesty, the more clearly he perceives that what he has is a gift. Suppose he was an upright man in the eyes of society, then he will now say to himself: &#8220;So you were an educated man, yes, but who paid for your education; so you were a good man and upright, yes, but who taught you your good maners and so provided you with good fortune that you did not need to steal; so you were a man of a loving disposition and not like the hard-hearted, yes, but who raised you in a good family, who showed you care and affection when you were young so that you would grow up to appreciate kindness — must you not admit that what you have, you have received? Then be thankful and cease your boasting.&#8221; Thus there is no man so upright that the Word of God beside his goodness will not condemn. There is no goodness that beside God&#8217;s goodness does not become a &#8220;filthy rag.&#8221;  (239-40)</p></blockquote>
<p>Rawls here deals with a point I discuss in my <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lele-dissertation.pdf">dissertation</a>: the partial dependence of virtue on <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/05/external-goods/">external goods</a>. Martha Nussbaum criticizes the Stoics for distinguishing between virtue, internal to ourselves, and external goods that we cannot control, saying that only the first matters; I argue that this is a point Śāntideva would concede, that our virtues have causes outside ourselves. (He could hardly say otherwise, given <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/07/ethics-without-morality/">his rejection of free will</a>.) The question is, what do we do with this point? Rawls, in his earlier and later phases, effectively takes it as a reason to leave virtue aside entirely, in favour of divine grace or social institutions. In my view, against Rawls, virtue is a crucial component of the human good &#8211; and the human good, for ourselves and for others, is what it is most important for us to focus our attentions on.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, there&#8217;s a valuable cautionary point in this passage of the early Rawls, one I agree with. Our virtue is not ours alone, in that there are causal conditions that make it possible. It is something we should be thankful for. Other virtues make a pyrrhic victory if they take us to arrogance and away from humility; they are lacking without the gratitude for the things that makes them possible. Here the early Rawls can do us a service by making us more virtuous &#8211; despite himself.</p>
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		<title>Certain knowledge</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently had an extraordinarily stimulating conversation with two friends who wish to remain anonymous (but they know who they are). The topic: can we ever have certain knowledge about anything? My initial response, not intended to be flippant, was: I&#8217;m not certain. The friends claimed certainty about things that I don&#8217;t think we can [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently had an extraordinarily stimulating conversation with two friends who wish to remain anonymous (but they know who they are). The topic: can we ever have certain knowledge about anything? My initial response, not intended to be flippant, was: I&#8217;m not certain.</p>
<p><a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/neo.matrix.jpg"><img src="http://loveofallwisdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/neo.matrix-300x161.jpg" alt="The Matrix" title="The Matrix" width="300" height="161" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-523" /></a>The friends claimed certainty about things that I don&#8217;t think we can reasonably be certain about. One claimed to have achieved certain knowledge through the Sufi practice of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhikr">dhikr</a>; I argued that this could be a feeling of certainty about falsehood rather than about truth, so that one needs standards of truth external to the mystical experience. The other claimed that we could know with certainty that we are awake and not sleeping; I wasn&#8217;t ready to grant that. I&#8217;m ready to grant the basic point of Descartes&#8217;s skepticism: although we can be relatively confident that the things of the world are as they seem, it&#8217;s possible they <i>could</i> all be a dream, or the creation of an evil demon &#8211; or even the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix">Matrix</a>. (What a gift that movie is to teachers of introductory philosophy!)</p>
<p>Now Descartes himself thinks he can have certain knowledge in spite of all this doubt, or in a certain sense even because of it: he believes that the one thing he can&#8217;t doubt is the fact that he is doubting. His doubt would be logically self-contradictory, for its very existence would require the presence of a doubter, namely himself. Thus, &#8220;I think therefore I am&#8221; (<i>cogito ergo sum</i>).</p>
<p>My Buddhist readers will probably be unsympathetic to Descartes&#8217;s argument, and rightly so. Descartes tries here to prove the very thing that the Buddha of the Pali <i>sutta</i>s &#8211; and the vast majority of later Buddhists &#8211; would be at pains to deny, namely the existence of the self. I would argue that a Buddhist critique knocks Descartes down quite effectively. Descartes may have established the existence of doubt, but not of an <i>agent</i> of doubt, of a doubt<i>er</i>. That&#8217;s an error, a reification. As a popular book on Buddhism has it, there are <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=G5hVLk40qwwC&#038;dq=thoughts+without+thinker&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;source=bn&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=Bka-SofgHoyf8AbxkYG4AQ&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=6#v=onepage&#038;q=&#038;f=false">thoughts without a thinker</a>. Even if one disagrees with Buddhist deconstructions of the self &#8211; and I am often skeptical of them &#8211; one must surely still acknowledge that they at least cast doubt on the self, the thing Descartes thought could not be doubted.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, there&#8217;s a route to certain knowledge that one can still follow from here. <span id="more-520"></span> The basic Buddhist critique knocks down certainty about the thinking self; it does <i>not</i> knock down the more basic pursuit of foundations and certainty in the face of skepticism. Descartes had a basically sound insight in one respect: while you might doubt the existence of a doubter, you cannot doubt the existence of doubt itself! If Descartes was <i>really</i> aiming for a completely certain foundation to stand on, he would have been better off saying: &#8220;There is thinking, therefore there is being.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s there, in thought itself, where I would look for certain knowledge. Thought must be possible; the existence of the idea that thought <i>isn&#8217;t</i> possible implies that it <i>is</i>. Even in the Matrix, thought must be possible; it cannot be otherwise. Moreover, the existence of thought seems to require something like Aristotle&#8217;s laws of logic; without them, thought cannot make sense. Everything is what it is (the law of identity); and nothing can both be and not be in the same time and in the same respect (the law of non-contradiction). Less sure about his third law, the law of the excluded middle (everything either is or is not); that one&#8217;s been quite plausibly challenged by contemporary <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-intuitionistic/">intuitionistic logic</a>, and before that by Madhyamaka Buddhists like <a href="http://www.iep.utm.edu/nagarjun/">Nāgārjuna</a>. But a denial of identity or non-contradiction effectively invalidates itself. </p>
<p>Here, in the realms of thought and logic, is where I would look for certainty. (Plato&#8217;s venture into mathematics is also a plausible place to look: even in the Matrix, one would think, 2+2 is <i>always</i> 4.) The possibility of thought, the law of identity: these things seem incontrovertible. But that&#8217;s just the problem: maybe they only <i>seem</i> incontrovertible. Descartes thought that the existence of the self was an ironclad, logically irrefutable foundation; but he turns out to be wrong. As far as I can tell, the existence of thought or the law of non-contradiction are irrefutable. But couldn&#8217;t I be missing something the way Descartes was?</p>
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