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		<title>Dialectical and demonstrative argument</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I closed my post about Peimin Ni&#8217;s gongfu with an important argument of Ni&#8217;s, which I didn&#8217;t have the space to address there. I had been arguing against Ni&#8217;s ends-relativist viewpoint, in which philosophies were judged by their pragmatic effectiveness. Ni made a vital point in response: he noted that I was myself arguing merely [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I closed <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/06/a-relativist-gongfu-ethics/">my post about Peimin Ni&#8217;s <i>gongfu</i></a> with an important argument of Ni&#8217;s, which I didn&#8217;t have the space to address there. I had been arguing against Ni&#8217;s ends-relativist viewpoint, in which philosophies were judged by their pragmatic effectiveness. Ni made a vital point in response: he noted that I was myself arguing merely based on pragmatic effectiveness, and not on the grounds of the larger metaphysical truth I hope to proclaim. He was absolutely right about this &#8211; but it is by design. <span id="more-1350"></span></p>
<p>What is at stake on this point is a crucial feature of any foundationalist position &#8211; that is, a position that relies on basic first principles, such as the existence of truth, and not merely on pragmatic effectiveness. Any such position relies in its logic on the difference between demonstrative and dialectical argument &#8211; that is, between arguments <i>from</i> first principles and arguments <i>to</i> first principles. (I take the distinction from a short and helpful discussion on pp. 88-9 of Alasdair MacIntyre&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Three-Rival-Versions-Moral-Enquiry/dp/0268018774">Three Rival Versions of Moral Inquiry</a>.) This distinction is what that the young Socrates at first fails to grasp in Plato&#8217;s <a href="http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/parmenides.html">Parmenides</a>: because Zeno&#8217;s arguments show the flaws in others&#8217; positions, Socrates sees them only as sophistry rather than as what they are, namely dialectical arguments knocking down others&#8217; premises in order to establish the truth of Parmenides&#8217;s view. The young Socrates knows only demonstrative argument, and not dialectical argument. In an anti-foundationalist position like Ni&#8217;s (or Richard Rorty&#8217;s), where there are no first principles, there is the opposite: only dialectical argument, and no demonstrative. </p>
<p>The point: One cannot deduce conclusions from first principles (demonstrative argument) with someone who does not share those principles. Rather, one must argue from the assumptions and principles of one&#8217;s interlocutor, in order to show that the interlocutor&#8217;s position is flawed and one&#8217;s own is preferable (dialectical argument). Only by doing so can one arrive at anything like a foundationalist position in the first place. No foundationalist that I am aware of has ever tried to argue otherwise. Even Descartes doesn&#8217;t <i>begin</i> his argument with <i>cogito ergo sum</i>; rather, he begins both the <i>Meditations</i> and the <i>Discourse</i> with everyday commonsense knowledge and why it isn&#8217;t good enough. The first principles &#8211; the existence of truth or self &#8211; are first only <i>logically</i>; they do not come first <i>chronologically</i>, in argument or in human development. And the question on which a foundationalist position stands or falls is whether the foundationalist can show his interlocutor&#8217;s position to be flawed enough that it merits abandoning in favour of one more like his own. In the case at hand, I believe that I <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/06/a-relativist-gongfu-ethics/">have done this</a> &#8211; argued why a position based entirely on pragmatic effectiveness will fail on the grounds of pragmatic effectiveness. </p>
<p>I tried to do the same in my <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/02/what-does-postmodernism-perform/">arguments against postmodernism</a>. It does little good to argue that postmodernism is false or contradicts itself, and therefore fails on my terms. It is far more important to argue that postmodernism&#8217;s performative effects are neutral or worse, so that it fails on its own terms.</p>
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		<title>Dialetheism</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to last week&#8217;s post about contradictions, a reader who goes by &#8220;skholiast&#8221; (who has his own blog, Speculum Criticum Traditionis) pointed me to the interesting work of analytic philosopher Graham Priest, author of works with provocative titles like &#8220;What is so bad about contradictions?&#8221; Priest advocates a position that he calls dialetheism, from [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2010/01/why-worry-about-contradictions/">last week&#8217;s post about contradictions</a>, a reader who goes by &#8220;skholiast&#8221; (who has his own blog, <a href="http://speculumcriticum.blogspot.com/">Speculum Criticum Traditionis</a>) pointed me to the interesting work of analytic philosopher <a href="http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/philosophy/old/gp/gp.html">Graham Priest</a>, author of works with provocative titles like <a href="http://www.jstor.org/pss/2564636">&#8220;What is so bad about contradictions?&#8221;</a> Priest advocates a position that he calls <i>dialetheism</i>, from the Greek for &#8220;two truths,&#8221; according to which a belief or statement and its opposite can both be true &#8211; even at the same time and in the same respect, directly contradicting Aristotle&#8217;s classical law of non-contradiction. He concludes the article with this provocative claim: &#8220;So what is so bad about contradictions? Maybe nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dialetheism is easy to mock. Indeed, the first I&#8217;d heard of it, and the only time I&#8217;d heard of it before skholiast&#8217;s post, was in <a href="http://chaospet.com/2007/11/29/62-dialetheism/">two of Ryan Lake&#8217;s Chaospet comics</a> <a href="http://chaospet.com/2009/06/15/128-more-dialetheism/">that made fun of it</a>. Lake&#8217;s comics note apparent problems with dialetheism: if nothing is bad about contradictions, as Priest suggests, then doesn&#8217;t that basically allow one to say anything at all? Doesn&#8217;t one then just immediately solve every hard problem without having to think about it, by saying (as Lake&#8217;s character Nester does) that &#8220;the mind both is and is not the brain&#8221;?<br />
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Priest&#8217;s article tries at length to refute the view he calls &#8220;explosion.&#8221; Explosion is a view usually taken for granted in contemporary formal logic, although (so he claims) <i>not</i> held by Aristotle, that any statement at all follows logically from a contradiction. (While the article itself is behind a pay wall, Priest makes many of the same points in a <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dialetheism/">Stanford Encyclopedia</a> article on the topic.) We are not bound to accept <i>all</i> contradictions, he argues, if we merely accept <i>some</i>; and most of the unfortunate logical consequences we associate with contradiction derive from accepting <i>all</i> contradiction.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had the time yet to dive into the details of Priest&#8217;s argument and examine whether he&#8217;s adequately convincing. Instead, let me assume for present purposes that in the details of his argument he is basically right. What then would his being right imply? Far less, I suspect, than he claims: certainly not that nothing about contradictions is bad. </p>
<p>For as it turns out, Priest himself accepts that there&#8217;s <i>usually</i> something wrong with contradictions. In the fourth section of his article he tells us that contradictions are &#8220;<i>a priori</i> improbable&#8221;; most contradictions in fact turn out to be false. So &#8220;inconsistency is a rational black mark,&#8221; and &#8220;[i]f we have views that are inconsistent we are probably incorrect.&#8221; (424) In giving examples of potentially true contradictions, Priest looks primarily at paradoxes, especially the liar paradox (statements such as &#8220;This statement is false&#8221;) but also the kind of paradoxes associated with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes">Zeno of Elea</a>. Priest claims that the easiest way to understand the liar paradox is to say that the statement &#8220;This statement is false&#8221; is both true <i>and</i> false. The <i>only</i> reason to reject such a claim is that it is a contradiction; a dialetheist can resolve the paradox by affirming that contradiction. But Priest is quite ready to say that &#8220;we do not deal with these kinds of situations very often.&#8221;</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that Priest&#8217;s dialetheism is insignificant. It&#8217;s led me to reinterpret key Madhyamaka Buddhist figures, from Nāgārjuna up to Śāntideva himself. I&#8217;ve noted, in my dissertation and elsewhere, that these thinkers see a normative force in non-contradiction: to identify a claim as a contradiction, other things being equal, is to say that something&#8217;s wrong with it. But other things are not always equal, and I think it&#8217;s fair to say that Nāgārjuna and Śāntideva do not accept a <i>law</i> of non-contradiction in anything like the sense Aristotle intended. I&#8217;m not convinced by their views of logic, but I think Priest has pointed me to something important in the way they work. And if it were to be the case that the Madhyamakas are indeed correct, then Priest&#8217;s view might turn out to be more significant than he himself is ready to claim.</p>
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